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> <channel><title>Comments on: 180Amsterdam vs. Koichiro Tsujikawa</title> <atom:link href="http://motionographer.com/2008/05/12/180amsterdam-vs-koichiro-tsujikawa/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://motionographer.com/2008/05/12/180amsterdam-vs-koichiro-tsujikawa/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=rss</link> <description>Motionographer shares the best in moving media, from student work to feature films.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:13:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: matt</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2008/05/12/180amsterdam-vs-koichiro-tsujikawa/comment-page-1/#comment-33202</link> <dc:creator>matt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:30:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=3466#comment-33202</guid> <description>I believe there are a couple of Ford ads in this style for the G-Series in NZ and Aus. Not done with miniature sets but comped into live backgrounds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gWO-vH6oE4</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there are a couple of Ford ads in this style for the G-Series in NZ and Aus. Not done with miniature sets but comped into live backgrounds.</p><p><span
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isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=3466#comment-33127</guid> <description>I don&#039;t agree with those who are dismissing the ripoff - this is how advertising works. They bring to the client references and an idea (that is usually based on some of those references), instead of trying to do something fresh (or even disguise their sources).
What I like about this post is the challenge for all of us to make something we can &quot;own&quot; intellectually and be proud of, instead of ripping others off for the sake of financial or personal gain.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with those who are dismissing the ripoff &#8211; this is how advertising works. They bring to the client references and an idea (that is usually based on some of those references), instead of trying to do something fresh (or even disguise their sources).</p><p>What I like about this post is the challenge for all of us to make something we can &#8220;own&#8221; intellectually and be proud of, instead of ripping others off for the sake of financial or personal gain.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bumfluff</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2008/05/12/180amsterdam-vs-koichiro-tsujikawa/comment-page-1/#comment-33113</link> <dc:creator>bumfluff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:41:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=3466#comment-33113</guid> <description>Too much media...new forums for viewing content...all have an implication for &#039;ripping&#039; I think the term gets used too frequently. No such thing as a new idea. Also as most of us work (there or thereabouts) with advertising, can we expect anything other than plagiarism (blatant or not) in a time of increased access to visual reference and decreased trust from clients. &#039;That&#039;s advertising folks!&#039; We all know the score - if we&#039;re bothered too much we should maybe try to become Bill Viola and maintain integrity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too much media&#8230;new forums for viewing content&#8230;all have an implication for &#8216;ripping&#8217; I think the term gets used too frequently. No such thing as a new idea. Also as most of us work (there or thereabouts) with advertising, can we expect anything other than plagiarism (blatant or not) in a time of increased access to visual reference and decreased trust from clients. &#8216;That&#8217;s advertising folks!&#8217; We all know the score &#8211; if we&#8217;re bothered too much we should maybe try to become Bill Viola and maintain integrity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mfh</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2008/05/12/180amsterdam-vs-koichiro-tsujikawa/comment-page-1/#comment-33106</link> <dc:creator>mfh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:08:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=3466#comment-33106</guid> <description>Theres always room for debate, and the piece definately could be completely *inspired*, but still to me everything seems the way it is because that&#039;s the best answer.  If you were to ask 20 competant directors the same question with the same concept, I think that you&#039;d find a lot of similarity.
The framing I disagree on.  There&#039;s a big difference between the two as one is pretty extreme close-up and the other is as wide as you could possibly get it without it being an arm.  In one the camera keeps the subject centered, where the other allows it to meander around.
Both have profile side shots with with similar posturing but given the environment I think that&#039;s the best and easiest way to present the narrative (i think after initial tests the vast majority of directors would do it this way)
The posturing is similar for sure, but again that could be due to the fact that theres only so many ways to personify a hand.  Both move in one direction to establish a seamless background.  I would say that if you were to change directions in either piece and it would break flow.  As for the skating shot  I agree with Simon.  You have to come up with so many activities that you can do with just your hands and it&#039;s by no means a stretch to have those similarities.
You may be right, but I wouldn&#039;t say it&#039;s any more likely than you being completely wrong.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theres always room for debate, and the piece definately could be completely *inspired*, but still to me everything seems the way it is because that&#8217;s the best answer.  If you were to ask 20 competant directors the same question with the same concept, I think that you&#8217;d find a lot of similarity.</p><p>The framing I disagree on.  There&#8217;s a big difference between the two as one is pretty extreme close-up and the other is as wide as you could possibly get it without it being an arm.  In one the camera keeps the subject centered, where the other allows it to meander around.</p><p>Both have profile side shots with with similar posturing but given the environment I think that&#8217;s the best and easiest way to present the narrative (i think after initial tests the vast majority of directors would do it this way)</p><p>The posturing is similar for sure, but again that could be due to the fact that theres only so many ways to personify a hand.  Both move in one direction to establish a seamless background.  I would say that if you were to change directions in either piece and it would break flow.  As for the skating shot  I agree with Simon.  You have to come up with so many activities that you can do with just your hands and it&#8217;s by no means a stretch to have those similarities.</p><p>You may be right, but I wouldn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s any more likely than you being completely wrong.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marc B.</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2008/05/12/180amsterdam-vs-koichiro-tsujikawa/comment-page-1/#comment-33105</link> <dc:creator>Marc B.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:43:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=3466#comment-33105</guid> <description>Oh by the way justin what about the partizan directors involved in this? Did you contact partizan?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh by the way justin what about the partizan directors involved in this? Did you contact partizan?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marc B.</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2008/05/12/180amsterdam-vs-koichiro-tsujikawa/comment-page-1/#comment-33103</link> <dc:creator>Marc B.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:22:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=3466#comment-33103</guid> <description>Bravo justin couldn&#039;t have said it better.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo justin couldn&#8217;t have said it better.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: justin</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2008/05/12/180amsterdam-vs-koichiro-tsujikawa/comment-page-1/#comment-33102</link> <dc:creator>justin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:26:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=3466#comment-33102</guid> <description>I&#039;ve really enjoyed reading the comments on this post. They&#039;re pretty fair and even-handed. But I definitely think there&#039;s room for some debate here.
While the concept is nothing new (fingers acting like a person), 180Amsterdam&#039;s camera framing and direction of the hand-talent is nearly *identical* to the Cornelius vid. It&#039;s seems as though they were referring to the Cornelius vid when they were developing their boards and planning their shots. I mean, c&#039;mon, it&#039;s a straight-on side view, with the fingers taking up the same amount of the frame, consistently moving in one direction (albeit in an opposite direction).
It&#039;s also incredibly odd that both have an ice-skating sequence in which the hand behaves almost exactly the same way.
That fact that I still haven&#039;t heard back from 180Amsterdam on this project only raises my suspicions a little further.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve really enjoyed reading the comments on this post. They&#8217;re pretty fair and even-handed. But I definitely think there&#8217;s room for some debate here.</p><p>While the concept is nothing new (fingers acting like a person), 180Amsterdam&#8217;s camera framing and direction of the hand-talent is nearly *identical* to the Cornelius vid. It&#8217;s seems as though they were referring to the Cornelius vid when they were developing their boards and planning their shots. I mean, c&#8217;mon, it&#8217;s a straight-on side view, with the fingers taking up the same amount of the frame, consistently moving in one direction (albeit in an opposite direction).</p><p>It&#8217;s also incredibly odd that both have an ice-skating sequence in which the hand behaves almost exactly the same way.</p><p>That fact that I still haven&#8217;t heard back from 180Amsterdam on this project only raises my suspicions a little further.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mfh</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2008/05/12/180amsterdam-vs-koichiro-tsujikawa/comment-page-1/#comment-33095</link> <dc:creator>mfh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:59:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=3466#comment-33095</guid> <description>Presenting this as a rip-off even with the disclaimer sets the tone for a debate about how this was or wasn&#039;t a rip-off.
From my eyes theres no actual evidence that there is at all.  It may or may not have been inspired by.  In both pieces it&#039;s a pretty clear stream of consciousness about a simple concept (that everyone has done in their life) that used the techniques and technology that is available in our field.  Similarities arise because the concept is the same...  The concept is the same because it&#039;s relevant and we&#039;ve all walked our fingers across something before which makes it a universal concept.
If this post was presented as Look at this spot and hey, look at some more fun with hands then there wouldn&#039;t be this tone of controversy about it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presenting this as a rip-off even with the disclaimer sets the tone for a debate about how this was or wasn&#8217;t a rip-off.</p><p>From my eyes theres no actual evidence that there is at all.  It may or may not have been inspired by.  In both pieces it&#8217;s a pretty clear stream of consciousness about a simple concept (that everyone has done in their life) that used the techniques and technology that is available in our field.  Similarities arise because the concept is the same&#8230;  The concept is the same because it&#8217;s relevant and we&#8217;ve all walked our fingers across something before which makes it a universal concept.</p><p>If this post was presented as Look at this spot and hey, look at some more fun with hands then there wouldn&#8217;t be this tone of controversy about it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: theCursiveL</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2008/05/12/180amsterdam-vs-koichiro-tsujikawa/comment-page-1/#comment-33093</link> <dc:creator>theCursiveL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:16:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=3466#comment-33093</guid> <description>did I hear battle....?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaL1YjtazPc</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did I hear battle&#8230;.?<br
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isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=3466#comment-33092</guid> <description>Both nice pieces, but totally different to my eye.  The commercial&#039;s main emphasis is on clever impossible scene changes.  The music vid is all about communicating tactile sensation.
Pretty common stuff to mess around with of course.
An experiment  I did like 2 years ago...
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/> An experiment  I did like 2 years ago&#8230;<br
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