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> <channel><title>Comments on: 2009 Emmys: Outstanding Main Title Design Nominees</title> <atom:link href="http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=rss</link> <description>Motionographer shares the best in moving media, from student work to feature films.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:13:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: juicy juniper</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/comment-page-1/#comment-39670</link> <dc:creator>juicy juniper</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:16:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=17226#comment-39670</guid> <description>Mad Men stands alone.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mad Men stands alone.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Panasit</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/comment-page-1/#comment-39122</link> <dc:creator>Panasit</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:20:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=17226#comment-39122</guid> <description>I have to ask. Where&#039;s Fringe opening?
I know United States Of Tara and True Blood is the top contender and Fringe&#039;s title can&#039;t beat them. But I think it looks better than Taking Chance&#039;s title.
Is this another one of those &quot;anything SciFi don&#039;t get nominated for awards&quot; thing again? I hope not. Yeah, it&#039;s very brief and cartoony, and the words get repeated, but something about it makes me want to watch it over and over, some time more than ten times, consecutively. I hope I&#039;m not the only one.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to ask. Where&#8217;s Fringe opening?</p><p>I know United States Of Tara and True Blood is the top contender and Fringe&#8217;s title can&#8217;t beat them. But I think it looks better than Taking Chance&#8217;s title.</p><p>Is this another one of those &#8220;anything SciFi don&#8217;t get nominated for awards&#8221; thing again? I hope not. Yeah, it&#8217;s very brief and cartoony, and the words get repeated, but something about it makes me want to watch it over and over, some time more than ten times, consecutively. I hope I&#8217;m not the only one.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: invertebrae</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/comment-page-1/#comment-39119</link> <dc:creator>invertebrae</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:14:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=17226#comment-39119</guid> <description>@panasit:
i&#039;m not sure there were any major &quot;incidents&quot; that created the discord between my friend and his coworkers. he&#039;s definitely his own personality, and maybe some thing it can be polarizing. i like him a lot, and think he&#039;s very talented. he&#039;s a hard worker, and stays up all hours of the night to get a job done, and his contributions to this job was no exception.
i think it was just a personality conflict more than anything. he didn&#039;t sabotage any jobs, didn&#039;t sleep with the creative director&#039;s girlfriend (i don&#039;t think!), so yeah, i think just different people not jiving.
still doesn&#039;t excuse the omission in my opinion. i think it&#039;s just an ego thing, and using this as a way to &quot;get even&quot; perhaps? not sure, again, you have to ask the ones responsible.
another (dk) friend DID inform me that the Emmy&#039;s used to have a four credit limit, and that in large part thanks to dk, they increased the number to six. that would explain the non-crediting i guess, but still doesn&#039;t excuse not letting my friend show the project on his own site, assuming the proper credits are given.
...ryan</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@panasit:</p><p>i&#8217;m not sure there were any major &#8220;incidents&#8221; that created the discord between my friend and his coworkers. he&#8217;s definitely his own personality, and maybe some thing it can be polarizing. i like him a lot, and think he&#8217;s very talented. he&#8217;s a hard worker, and stays up all hours of the night to get a job done, and his contributions to this job was no exception.</p><p>i think it was just a personality conflict more than anything. he didn&#8217;t sabotage any jobs, didn&#8217;t sleep with the creative director&#8217;s girlfriend (i don&#8217;t think!), so yeah, i think just different people not jiving.</p><p>still doesn&#8217;t excuse the omission in my opinion. i think it&#8217;s just an ego thing, and using this as a way to &#8220;get even&#8221; perhaps? not sure, again, you have to ask the ones responsible.</p><p>another (dk) friend DID inform me that the Emmy&#8217;s used to have a four credit limit, and that in large part thanks to dk, they increased the number to six. that would explain the non-crediting i guess, but still doesn&#8217;t excuse not letting my friend show the project on his own site, assuming the proper credits are given.</p><p>&#8230;ryan</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Panasit</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/comment-page-1/#comment-39110</link> <dc:creator>Panasit</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:28:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=17226#comment-39110</guid> <description>I think Mad Men title deserved to win more than The Company&#039;s main title.
The Company&#039;s title sequence was definitely well executed with great transition, while Mad Men&#039;s, from technical stand point, look very unpolished and more lazy than minimalistic. However I think the concept is where it was decided.
Just look at the use of symbolism: The Company&#039;s title&#039;s symbolism is way too literal and blatant compared to those found in Mad Men&#039;s title, which are more subtle and leaves room to many interpretation.
The stylized homage to hitchcock could have just been random imagery but because of the nature of the show, there&#039;s a feeling by everyone that there&#039;s more to it than that.
It&#039;s like a very well written beautiful verse fighting against a mediocre Poem. Of course the Poem is still going to win.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mad Men title deserved to win more than The Company&#8217;s main title.</p><p>The Company&#8217;s title sequence was definitely well executed with great transition, while Mad Men&#8217;s, from technical stand point, look very unpolished and more lazy than minimalistic. However I think the concept is where it was decided.</p><p>Just look at the use of symbolism: The Company&#8217;s title&#8217;s symbolism is way too literal and blatant compared to those found in Mad Men&#8217;s title, which are more subtle and leaves room to many interpretation.</p><p>The stylized homage to hitchcock could have just been random imagery but because of the nature of the show, there&#8217;s a feeling by everyone that there&#8217;s more to it than that.</p><p>It&#8217;s like a very well written beautiful verse fighting against a mediocre Poem. Of course the Poem is still going to win.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Panasit</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/comment-page-1/#comment-39108</link> <dc:creator>Panasit</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:35:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=17226#comment-39108</guid> <description>At first I was just going to leave a simple &quot;yay! I hope DK wins&quot; and then go off to look at websites with inappropriate contents. But your post interests me. Firstly, thank you for the inside information. I always love reading behind the scene stories.
After reading it quite thoroughly several times (I wanted to make sure there is no misunderstanding on my part) I feel that your main point is: Digital Kitchen treated your friend differently than they did with the guy who worked on the main title for &quot;The Company&quot;. And you don&#039;t know WHY.
Well the answer to that WHY is most likely this BEEF your friend had with the staffers. At least that&#039;s what I gathered from your message. So I am asking now, what were they arguing about?
&quot;It&#039;s private&quot; is not acceptable because this whole &quot;not crediting your friend&quot; thing is also a private matter, which was brought up anyway and, whether intentionally or not, put Digital Kitchen in a very bad light. It makes no sense to respect your friend&#039;s privacy but violate Digital Kitchen&#039;s.
You can claim that it doesn&#039;t matter. The guy could have been a serial killer, a credit should goes to whoever it is due. Not necessary. Especially since this beef could have been work related. And it did occurred at around the time True Blood title sequence was in production right? Until we know what it was.. which could have been argument over a parking space... we can&#039;t be hundred percent sure.
I am not taking side with Digital Kitchen, it&#039;s just that I learned pretty early in life not to jump on a bandwagon to bring down a heroic figure within an industry.
Your friend did contribute a lot to the work as far as I&#039;m concern. He set up the concept and mood and tone. So much so that it would appear no matter how bad this BEEF was, not crediting him was ever going to be justified.
Still, it is a missing part of the story.
My opinion is that Digital Kitchen did not handled this very well. As the party that decided to keep things under wrap, they are more likely to look guilty. But then without knowing the whole story, they could have been trying to protect your friend as much as they were trying to protect themselves.
I once worked on a project with a person that slack off, lied about being sick, and in the end even tried to sabotage our works. Despite finding out about this person&#039;s true nature, due to time limit, his very small contribution still made it onto the final rendering. I credited this person anyway, even though this person betrayed us and only drew the head of a main character (not torso, not even the eyes), and I did the concept, the art direction, character designs, and me and two other guys did background and other character animation. But I credit this person because just because I don&#039;t want there to be any problem... problem like this. But I didn&#039;t feel like I had to do it. And I definitely would not feel like a bad person if I want to take this person&#039;s name off the project, even though his design of main character&#039;s head pretty much float around throughout the entire music video.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I was just going to leave a simple &#8220;yay! I hope DK wins&#8221; and then go off to look at websites with inappropriate contents. But your post interests me. Firstly, thank you for the inside information. I always love reading behind the scene stories.</p><p>After reading it quite thoroughly several times (I wanted to make sure there is no misunderstanding on my part) I feel that your main point is: Digital Kitchen treated your friend differently than they did with the guy who worked on the main title for &#8220;The Company&#8221;. And you don&#8217;t know WHY.</p><p>Well the answer to that WHY is most likely this BEEF your friend had with the staffers. At least that&#8217;s what I gathered from your message. So I am asking now, what were they arguing about?</p><p>&#8220;It&#8217;s private&#8221; is not acceptable because this whole &#8220;not crediting your friend&#8221; thing is also a private matter, which was brought up anyway and, whether intentionally or not, put Digital Kitchen in a very bad light. It makes no sense to respect your friend&#8217;s privacy but violate Digital Kitchen&#8217;s.</p><p>You can claim that it doesn&#8217;t matter. The guy could have been a serial killer, a credit should goes to whoever it is due. Not necessary. Especially since this beef could have been work related. And it did occurred at around the time True Blood title sequence was in production right? Until we know what it was.. which could have been argument over a parking space&#8230; we can&#8217;t be hundred percent sure.</p><p>I am not taking side with Digital Kitchen, it&#8217;s just that I learned pretty early in life not to jump on a bandwagon to bring down a heroic figure within an industry.</p><p>Your friend did contribute a lot to the work as far as I&#8217;m concern. He set up the concept and mood and tone. So much so that it would appear no matter how bad this BEEF was, not crediting him was ever going to be justified.</p><p>Still, it is a missing part of the story.</p><p>My opinion is that Digital Kitchen did not handled this very well. As the party that decided to keep things under wrap, they are more likely to look guilty. But then without knowing the whole story, they could have been trying to protect your friend as much as they were trying to protect themselves.</p><p>I once worked on a project with a person that slack off, lied about being sick, and in the end even tried to sabotage our works. Despite finding out about this person&#8217;s true nature, due to time limit, his very small contribution still made it onto the final rendering. I credited this person anyway, even though this person betrayed us and only drew the head of a main character (not torso, not even the eyes), and I did the concept, the art direction, character designs, and me and two other guys did background and other character animation. But I credit this person because just because I don&#8217;t want there to be any problem&#8230; problem like this. But I didn&#8217;t feel like I had to do it. And I definitely would not feel like a bad person if I want to take this person&#8217;s name off the project, even though his design of main character&#8217;s head pretty much float around throughout the entire music video.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Justin Cone</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/comment-page-1/#comment-39106</link> <dc:creator>Justin Cone</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:17:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=17226#comment-39106</guid> <description>&quot;I think The Company should have won, but instead Madmen did, and in my opinion, only did because it was the “happening” series.&quot;
This, I think, plays a bigger role than the Emmys are probably willing to admit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think The Company should have won, but instead Madmen did, and in my opinion, only did because it was the “happening” series.&#8221;</p><p>This, I think, plays a bigger role than the Emmys are probably willing to admit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: oeuf</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/comment-page-1/#comment-39098</link> <dc:creator>oeuf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:37:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=17226#comment-39098</guid> <description>This all went down when the True Blood titles came out. Ryan partially linked it in his post, but here&#039;s the rest: http://www.liftingfaces.com/2008/09/the-wrong-eyed-concept/
Read the article and don&#039;t skip the comments, looks like DK came in to give their side of the story. The rest, well, is up to you.
And another note to these emmy noms, does anyone know the process, because alot of times, credit is not given to the people that worked on the pieces. If memory serves correct, last year it looked like the only place to credit everyone involved was for The Company. I could be wrong though. I think The Company should have won, but instead Madmen did, and in my opinion, only did because it was the &quot;happening&quot; series. Even then, I was extremely surprised at who was credited at being involved in that project. Was a quite a shame.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all went down when the True Blood titles came out. Ryan partially linked it in his post, but here&#8217;s the rest: <a
href="http://www.liftingfaces.com/2008/09/the-wrong-eyed-concept/" rel="nofollow">http://www.liftingfaces.com/2008/09/the-wrong-eyed-concept/</a><br
/> Read the article and don&#8217;t skip the comments, looks like DK came in to give their side of the story. The rest, well, is up to you.<br
/> And another note to these emmy noms, does anyone know the process, because alot of times, credit is not given to the people that worked on the pieces. If memory serves correct, last year it looked like the only place to credit everyone involved was for The Company. I could be wrong though. I think The Company should have won, but instead Madmen did, and in my opinion, only did because it was the &#8220;happening&#8221; series. Even then, I was extremely surprised at who was credited at being involved in that project. Was a quite a shame.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bran Dougherty-Johnson</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/comment-page-1/#comment-39096</link> <dc:creator>Bran Dougherty-Johnson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:32:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=17226#comment-39096</guid> <description>Why don&#039;t we all try to adopt a modern, standardized credit system for our industry? It&#039;s very important for everyone&#039;s careers and their reputation that proper credit is given, and that noone tries to claim more ownership for any project than is right.
This was alluded to in the interview that Justin did with AICP Digital, and it should be something we all push for. More and more studios are now putting credits for specific jobs on their sites (and sometimes in PR), which is definitely a step in the right direction.
I&#039;d personally like to see a system used everywhere that also links to personal sites: for staff, freelancers and external companies. Fair is fair, no?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t we all try to adopt a modern, standardized credit system for our industry? It&#8217;s very important for everyone&#8217;s careers and their reputation that proper credit is given, and that noone tries to claim more ownership for any project than is right.<br
/> This was alluded to in the interview that Justin did with AICP Digital, and it should be something we all push for. More and more studios are now putting credits for specific jobs on their sites (and sometimes in PR), which is definitely a step in the right direction.<br
/> I&#8217;d personally like to see a system used everywhere that also links to personal sites: for staff, freelancers and external companies. Fair is fair, no?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ceevee</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/comment-page-1/#comment-39085</link> <dc:creator>ceevee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:17:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=17226#comment-39085</guid> <description>Has anyone else seen the amazing documentary &quot;Searching For The Wrong Eyed Jesus&quot;? is one of my favorites and i highly recommend anyone to watch it; shot like the most beautiful music video, narrators are wonderful and what a great soundtrack. The film is inspiring.
Unfortunately it looks like the people at DK got a biiiiiiit too inspired.
Having watched the documentary a few times, there are scenes in the True Blood open that are lifted directly from Searching For The Wrong Eyed Jesus.
If they win this or any award...i could care less. But something i do care about is the lack of ethics that most studios show. ..</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone else seen the amazing documentary &#8220;Searching For The Wrong Eyed Jesus&#8221;? is one of my favorites and i highly recommend anyone to watch it; shot like the most beautiful music video, narrators are wonderful and what a great soundtrack. The film is inspiring.</p><p>Unfortunately it looks like the people at DK got a biiiiiiit too inspired.</p><p>Having watched the documentary a few times, there are scenes in the True Blood open that are lifted directly from Searching For The Wrong Eyed Jesus.</p><p>If they win this or any award&#8230;i could care less. But something i do care about is the lack of ethics that most studios show. ..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ikaria</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2009/07/23/2009-emmys-outstanding-main-title-design-nominees/comment-page-1/#comment-39078</link> <dc:creator>ikaria</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:34:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=17226#comment-39078</guid> <description>I&#039;ve yet to work on a project where credits give the true picture of artists contributions. If anything, they are more indicative of the power structures within the organization. More often than not, the people responsible for the bulk of the work get listed several rows below those that hand out the paychecks.
That being said, I must counter your assessment of the boarding artist&#039;s contribution to the COMPANY titles. As someone who worked on the project and was among the nominees, I believe that his boards define the very look, feel and style of the piece. The artist&#039;s inclusion in the nominee list was consulted with other artists involved. The fact that he was no longer at DK at the time only validates the worth of his contribution as companies will rarely go to such lengths to give credit where credit is due.
- Igor</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve yet to work on a project where credits give the true picture of artists contributions. If anything, they are more indicative of the power structures within the organization. More often than not, the people responsible for the bulk of the work get listed several rows below those that hand out the paychecks.</p><p>That being said, I must counter your assessment of the boarding artist&#8217;s contribution to the COMPANY titles. As someone who worked on the project and was among the nominees, I believe that his boards define the very look, feel and style of the piece. The artist&#8217;s inclusion in the nominee list was consulted with other artists involved. The fact that he was no longer at DK at the time only validates the worth of his contribution as companies will rarely go to such lengths to give credit where credit is due.</p><p>- Igor</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
