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> <channel><title>Comments on: Questioning the Freelance Dilemma</title> <atom:link href="http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=rss</link> <description>Motionographer shares the best in moving media, from student work to feature films.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:13:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: c4d4life</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-41970</link> <dc:creator>c4d4life</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:22:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=25166#comment-41970</guid> <description>sure that company what?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sure that company what?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RaptorRed</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-41638</link> <dc:creator>RaptorRed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:28:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=25166#comment-41638</guid> <description>Props to motionographer and its writers for creating a space and articles on such important and relevant topics for the mograph and vfx industry.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Props to motionographer and its writers for creating a space and articles on such important and relevant topics for the mograph and vfx industry.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jultani</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-41629</link> <dc:creator>jultani</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:56:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=25166#comment-41629</guid> <description>In reply to Scottg&#039;s question about international freelancers, I don&#039;t have a real legal answer, but I do have an anecdotal situation about an foreign freelancer.
A company I know of recently started using an employer of record to deal with American freelancers. They wanted to hire a foreign freelancer, but instead of putting her on the third party&#039;s payroll, they instead put her on the company&#039;s payroll just like a regular W2 staff employee. I think there were legal complications using third parties for foreign freelancers because of the requirements of her visa.
Her rates didn&#039;t change, she&#039;s still free to leave when she wants, and she&#039;s avoided the extra taxes and fees from the third party.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Scottg&#8217;s question about international freelancers, I don&#8217;t have a real legal answer, but I do have an anecdotal situation about an foreign freelancer.</p><p>A company I know of recently started using an employer of record to deal with American freelancers. They wanted to hire a foreign freelancer, but instead of putting her on the third party&#8217;s payroll, they instead put her on the company&#8217;s payroll just like a regular W2 staff employee. I think there were legal complications using third parties for foreign freelancers because of the requirements of her visa.</p><p>Her rates didn&#8217;t change, she&#8217;s still free to leave when she wants, and she&#8217;s avoided the extra taxes and fees from the third party.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ruoyu1</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-41602</link> <dc:creator>Ruoyu1</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:00:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=25166#comment-41602</guid> <description>this law already had its first victims
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/02/18/sot.cpac.obama.jokes.cnn?hpt=C2</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this law already had its first victims</p><p><a
href="http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/02/18/sot.cpac.obama.jokes.cnn?hpt=C2" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/02/18/sot.cpac.obama.jokes.cnn?hpt=C2</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jultani</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-41590</link> <dc:creator>jultani</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:54:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=25166#comment-41590</guid> <description>NYtimes just published an article about misclassifying workers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/business/18workers.html?pagewanted=1&amp;em
It seems the point of the article is that classifying workers as employees protects workers through paid overtime, sick days, vacations, etc. And of course, the government is hungry to collect on employer taxes.
I don&#039;t have a problem with workers being given overtime, sick days, and vacations, or even companies paying their dues. This is generally a positive thing for worker rights.
However, I have a huge problem with MBO and Yurcor, because they enable companies to protect their bottom line at the expense of the freelancers. Rather than improving the working conditions for freelancers, they&#039;ve managed to offload expenses that should be paid by the employers onto the freelancers through creative accounting.
These expenses and taxes outweigh the costs freelancers previously paid, which were already very high.
MBO and Yurcor  are also confused about the classification of the freelancers that sign up with them (see MBO response). This indicates that they themselves are out of touch with the laws. MBO&#039;s demonstrated ignorance and fancy footwork around issues can&#039;t possibly shield companies in the long term from employer responsibilities.
Freelancers get paid a higher rate because they lack job security. Companies should not expect freelancers to pay for their operating costs just because companies never had to in the past.
Finally, just because companies hire third parties does not absolve them of their responsibility to pay the employer taxes.  To quote the IRS &quot;The employer is ultimately responsible for the deposit and payment of federal tax liabilities.&quot; The key word being PAYMENT of federal tax.
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=176943,00.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYtimes just published an article about misclassifying workers.</p><p><a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/business/18workers.html?pagewanted=1&#038;em" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/business/18workers.html?pagewanted=1&#038;em</a></p><p>It seems the point of the article is that classifying workers as employees protects workers through paid overtime, sick days, vacations, etc. And of course, the government is hungry to collect on employer taxes.</p><p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with workers being given overtime, sick days, and vacations, or even companies paying their dues. This is generally a positive thing for worker rights.</p><p>However, I have a huge problem with MBO and Yurcor, because they enable companies to protect their bottom line at the expense of the freelancers. Rather than improving the working conditions for freelancers, they&#8217;ve managed to offload expenses that should be paid by the employers onto the freelancers through creative accounting.</p><p>These expenses and taxes outweigh the costs freelancers previously paid, which were already very high.</p><p>MBO and Yurcor  are also confused about the classification of the freelancers that sign up with them (see MBO response). This indicates that they themselves are out of touch with the laws. MBO&#8217;s demonstrated ignorance and fancy footwork around issues can&#8217;t possibly shield companies in the long term from employer responsibilities.</p><p>Freelancers get paid a higher rate because they lack job security. Companies should not expect freelancers to pay for their operating costs just because companies never had to in the past.</p><p>Finally, just because companies hire third parties does not absolve them of their responsibility to pay the employer taxes.  To quote the IRS &#8220;The employer is ultimately responsible for the deposit and payment of federal tax liabilities.&#8221; The key word being PAYMENT of federal tax.</p><p><a
href="http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=176943,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=176943,00.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kaiofthesun</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-41566</link> <dc:creator>kaiofthesun</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:06:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=25166#comment-41566</guid> <description>ultimately incorporating can get very expensive for the freelancer. we&#039;re looking at $800 a year, plus another $1000 for accounting fees, plus $100 a quarter to run payroll. AND...corporate tax return filing fees which start a $500. Plus whatever additional cost for our personal tax returns.
even the potential savings on SE taxes if you decide to file your taxes as an S-Corp don&#039;t outweigh the fees stated above.
it seems to me that having freelancers incorporate is just a way to pass the overhead costs of the studio to the artist, unless someone can show me otherwise.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ultimately incorporating can get very expensive for the freelancer. we&#8217;re looking at $800 a year, plus another $1000 for accounting fees, plus $100 a quarter to run payroll. AND&#8230;corporate tax return filing fees which start a $500. Plus whatever additional cost for our personal tax returns.</p><p>even the potential savings on SE taxes if you decide to file your taxes as an S-Corp don&#8217;t outweigh the fees stated above.</p><p>it seems to me that having freelancers incorporate is just a way to pass the overhead costs of the studio to the artist, unless someone can show me otherwise.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: eric3020</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-41565</link> <dc:creator>eric3020</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:31:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=25166#comment-41565</guid> <description>To all the freelance digital artists who like myself are sick of MBO trying to make a  buck off us -  I&#039;ve created a linkedin group to organize our opposition to MBO partners and similar groups:
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?about=&amp;gid=2762465&amp;trk=anet_ug_grppro
Please join and help me out on this!
Eric</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all the freelance digital artists who like myself are sick of MBO trying to make a  buck off us &#8211;  I&#8217;ve created a linkedin group to organize our opposition to MBO partners and similar groups:</p><p><a
href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?about=&#038;gid=2762465&#038;trk=anet_ug_grppro" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/groups?about=&#038;gid=2762465&#038;trk=anet_ug_grppro</a></p><p>Please join and help me out on this!</p><p>Eric</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sidewalksurfing</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-41557</link> <dc:creator>sidewalksurfing</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:26:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=25166#comment-41557</guid> <description>There really is no discussion here.  The IRS handed out some hefty fines this year. They can go back 3 years in their audit and that can amount to some HUGE fines.  Close the doors, shut the lights, kind of fines. The old &quot;under the radar&quot; way of getting paid is over with.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There really is no discussion here.  The IRS handed out some hefty fines this year. They can go back 3 years in their audit and that can amount to some HUGE fines.  Close the doors, shut the lights, kind of fines. The old &#8220;under the radar&#8221; way of getting paid is over with.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: scottg</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-41502</link> <dc:creator>scottg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=25166#comment-41502</guid> <description>This makes me glad we have nothing like this in Australia - that I know of. I was freelancing for a while here before giving that up for the stability and low wages of full time employment, and generally, as long as you have a registered business number you can invoice any company as a contractor and they&#039;re all fine with it. Some would need to register with the Tax Office for GST (goods and services tax), but only if you&#039;re bringing in more than 70k a year (which any decent freelancer would want to be doing). You can also register for GST if you&#039;re under the 70k threshold and just want to be safe. We have nothing like MBO or EORs here, thank goodness. Though perhaps it won&#039;t be too long before we do?
In any case, it makes me wonder what I would do if I were to travel to the USA for work. How does this situation affect international freelancers? The US freelancing market suddenly become a whole lot more confusing to me...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me glad we have nothing like this in Australia &#8211; that I know of. I was freelancing for a while here before giving that up for the stability and low wages of full time employment, and generally, as long as you have a registered business number you can invoice any company as a contractor and they&#8217;re all fine with it. Some would need to register with the Tax Office for GST (goods and services tax), but only if you&#8217;re bringing in more than 70k a year (which any decent freelancer would want to be doing). You can also register for GST if you&#8217;re under the 70k threshold and just want to be safe. We have nothing like MBO or EORs here, thank goodness. Though perhaps it won&#8217;t be too long before we do?</p><p>In any case, it makes me wonder what I would do if I were to travel to the USA for work. How does this situation affect international freelancers? The US freelancing market suddenly become a whole lot more confusing to me&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bran Dougherty-Johnson</title><link>http://motionographer.com/2010/02/10/questioning-the-freelance-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-41491</link> <dc:creator>Bran Dougherty-Johnson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:07:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://motionographer.com/?p=25166#comment-41491</guid> <description>I added a link to another article to the post: http://www.michaelbest.com/pubs/pubDetailMB.aspx?xpST=PubDetail&amp;pub=2426
&quot;the fact a worker is incorporated has little or no effect at all in determining worker status.&quot;
Check it out ...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I added a link to another article to the post: <a
href="http://www.michaelbest.com/pubs/pubDetailMB.aspx?xpST=PubDetail&#038;pub=2426" rel="nofollow">http://www.michaelbest.com/pubs/pubDetailMB.aspx?xpST=PubDetail&#038;pub=2426</a></p><p>&#8220;the fact a worker is incorporated has little or no effect at all in determining worker status.&#8221;</p><p>Check it out &#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
